Talk:Pashtuns

Remove nomadic from the lead. We are settled farming peole and the percentages for Pakistan is wrong

Kushan not sakas

The description of fall of the greko bactrians are for yuezhi tribes which strapo mistook for sakas. You can furthur read on yuezhi and kushan empire pages. This is an important mistake that should be fixed. 178.232.246.100 (talk) 15:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the 1964 identity change

Hi all, I was reading the intro section and read this section "They historically were also referred to as Afghans until 1964 after the term's meaning had become a demonym for members of all ethnic groups in Afghanistan"

This part seems strange to me. They were Ethnic Afghans in 1963 and lost that identity in 1964? Did no Pashtun outside of Afghanistan call themself Afghan after 1964? Are there any other cases of an ethnicities identity changing in the space of a year? 2A02:C7C:640:9F00:D07A:203:BB7A:F178 (talk) 12:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Subject: Discussion and Suggested Improvements for the Article on Pashtuns

Dear Wikipedia Editors and Administrators,

I hope this message finds you well. I am a native Pashtun, and after reviewing the article on Pashtuns, I would like to offer a few suggestions for expanding and refining certain sections to ensure the content is comprehensive, culturally accurate, and reflects the diversity of Pashtun history and society. Below are some key points I would like to discuss:

1. Pashtunwali - Expansion of the Code of Life:
   • The article briefly mentions Pashtunwali, but I believe it could benefit from a more detailed explanation of the full set of codes that govern Pashtun society. Specifically, Pashtunwali includes 20 distinct principles, such as hospitality (Melmastia) and justice (Badal), that play a crucial role in the daily lives of Pashtuns.
   • Additionally, it would be valuable to discuss how Pashtunwali is applied today, especially within the Pashtun diaspora, and how it remains a key part of Pashtun identity. This could help modernize the article and provide a better understanding of Pashtun society's values.
   • Sources: There are numerous works by anthropologists and cultural historians that document these codes and their modern application.
2. Genetic and Ancestral Origins:
   • The origins of the Pashtun people are often debated, and genetic studies suggest a complex heritage that combines influences from various ethnicities, including Turkic, Israelite, and Greek. While the exact proportions may vary by tribe, all Pashtun communities share certain genetic and ancestral markers.
   • More specifically, Pashtuns are believed to have a significant historical, ancestral and genetical connection to Turkic origins and Turkic-speaking groups, particularly those from the Kipchak branch of the Turkic peoples. This group includes various Turkic tribes that once lived in Central Asia, and they migrated into the regions now inhabited by Pashtuns over centuries.
   • I believe this aspect of Pashtun identity could be expanded to reflect the rich, multifaceted nature of their origins, though I understand this may be a contentious topic and require careful sourcing.
   • Sources: There are genetic studies available (e.g., studies on the Y-chromosome and mtDNA) that provide insights into the ancestral roots of Pashtun tribes, as well as historical records that discuss Turkic migration patterns:
3. Linguistic Roots of Pashto:
   • Pashto, the language spoken by Pashtuns, has evolved over centuries, and while it is primarily Indo-Iranian, it has absorbed influences from Persian, Arabic, and even Turkic languages. I believe a more in-depth explanation of these linguistic influences would enhance the article's clarity regarding the development of Pashto.
   • Sources: Academic papers and books on the Indo-Iranian language family and its evolution would be helpful to support this point.
4. Pashtun Homeland Beyond Afghanistan and Pakistan:
   • Pashtuns have historically lived beyond the borders of Afghanistan and Pakistan, with significant communities in regions like Iran, India, Central Asia, and the Caucasus. These movements have occurred over centuries due to trade, migration, and conquest (from the time of Alexander the Great to the Soviet occupation).
   • I suggest that the article acknowledges this broader historical context, which would reflect the historical and cultural significance of the Pashtun diaspora.
   • Sources: Historical migration patterns and the presence of Pashtun communities in these regions are well-documented in various sources on South Asian history and anthropology.

I would like to request that these points be considered for discussion and potential incorporation into the article. I understand that some of these topics may require additional verification or discussion, and I am happy to provide any further information or sources to support these suggestions.

Thank you for your time and consideration. I look forward to engaging in a constructive dialogue to improve this article and ensure it accurately represents the Pashtun community's history, culture, and linguistic heritage.

Best regards,

Fahad Hafeez Fahadhafeez23 (talk) 03:00, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Wrong info

Remove nomadic from the lead, Pashtuns are settled farming people. Also, the percentages for Pakistan is wrong. There are only 28 million Pashtuns there 2607:FEA8:4D60:590:D0A2:F38F:7DB3:F799 (talk) 23:09, 8 April 2025 (UTC)